Miata Mailing List: January 1993, Message #171
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Subject: Some Changes (was Re: Lash Adjusters? (fwd))
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First, I have just finished moving the remainder of the list members over
to the new software (yeah - the stuff Jamie hates so much :-).  I have
subscribed all of the people from the old list with ACK set, meaning that
they will get a copy back of everything they send.  Everyone can change
their subscription as they like - you can start by sending a message to
listserv@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with "help" in the message body. 

Second, addressing the issue of what the Reply-To header line should say...

On Thu, 28 Jan 1993, Jamie Zawinski wrote:
> Andy Poling wrote:
> > 
> > This message was swept up by the loop-detection code.  To avoid this,
> > don't include the entire header in a followup - especially the "Comment:"
> > header line.
> 
> You have GOT to be kidding.  Any mailing list software that can't tell the
> difference between message headers and the message body has no right to live.
> That's simply absurd.

No, it's not absurd - I did it on purpose.  A large number of MTAs will
send errors back to the list, enclosing the original mail message.  Those
messages can be snagged by looking for messages which include a specific
header line: the Comment line.  It will most likely no be in the header of
the incoming message.

> Normally I would send flames like this to the list maintainer privately, but
> since Andy refuses to fix (or even acknowledge) the other bug in this mailing
> list, which is that the Reply-To field is set to the list, making the "reply
> to sender only" command of every mail reader in the world not able to work, I
> might as well send all of my private replies to the list anyway.

It is not a bug - it is a configuration parameter that I chose.  It's not
the author's fault.  I did acknowledge your dislike of this behavior -
I just didn't change it.

I have come to the conclusion, largely convinced by Steve Bruun's mail
explaining that he mistakenly sent mail to the list, that it was a poor
choice, so I've changed it.  The Reply-To header line will now contain the
original sender's address.

> (Note that I think a perfectly acceptable definition of "fix" is delete this
> completely broken Kotsikonas mail software and do it the way it had been done
> before about three months ago, which worked just great.)

It may have worked just great for you Jamie, but it was becoming more and
more work for me just to process subscription requests et al.  I changed
to this software so that everyone can maintain their subscription as they
like.  Now the list can pretty much take care of itself.

That's enough for now... here's to Spring...

-Andy

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