Miata Mailing List: November 1993, Message #155
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From: Andy Poling
Subject: Here are the missing messages
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 15:06:33 -0500
I made a goof the other day and screwed up the subscription list for the
list. Since then 50 of the list members (including me - chagrin) haven't
been getting the messages. Below are the messages they missed (my
apologies to the rest of you for the redundency). Shows you how busy I've
been - didn't even notice I wasn't getting messages from this list...
-Andy
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From: Jyri Virkki
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject:
Subject: misc
To: miata@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Miata List)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 10:26:17 EST
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL2]
Hi all,
What a great few days we've had lately here (NJ) for top-down driving!
I got a couple misc questions... First, I remember a thread a few
weeks ago about the squeaking in the instrument console; to which
someone posted a solution. Could someone email me this if you have it
around; I'm going crazy with the little mice in there! It sounds like
the thing is filled with styrofoam or something similar, covered with
plastic. Not too smart of whoever designed that, to say the least.
In fact, I tried to open it to see if I could fix it, but never
figured it out. There's two screws in the bottom, but none more to be
found. I also tried to remove the center console panels to get to the
radio but failed miserably! I've never seen a car that was so hard to
disassemble! I found there are two screws behind the little covers on
either side which can only be removed with a loooong screwdriver from
the front (towards engine) side. I was able to get the driver side
screw out but the other side has no clearance for my hand so there was
no way. I guess the purpose is to make it hard for thieves, but it
sure makes it impossible to do any work.
The reason I wanted to check the radio was that I started wondering:
The catalog lists an optional CD player which can be added to this
radio. If this is so, then I figure the radio must have some type of
audio inputs to connect it. Is this true? If not, how does the Mazda
add-on CD player work?
P.S. Just about all Miatas I've come across around here have waved on
passing; one guy was waving so frantically I thought he'd drive into
the ditch ;-) It's almost like in the biker world where you usually
wave to each other; I had never seen in the four-wheeled world.
Enough rambling...
--
Jyri J. Virkki | DoD#561 | jyri+@cmu.edu | Linux: Choice of a GNU generation
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From: "Michael Simmons"
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Looking for Talbot mirrors
Steve Bruun writes:
> Anybody here old enough to remember Talbot mirrors? Back in the
> sixties when I cut my teeth on British roadsters, I installed a
> pair of these way-cool bullet-shaped chrome-plated racing-style
> rear view mirrors on each one of the cars I owned (MGB/AHSprite/
> Datsun1600/Datsun2000), and I'd like to put a pair on my Miata.
>
> As I recall, genuine Talbots came in three flavors. There were
> large and small versions with center pedestals and another one
> with a swoopier "faired-in" pedestal. Since I want to make sure
> that the base covers the standard mounting points and I want as
> much mirror surface as I can get, I think I'm looking for a pair
> of the large center pedestal models (I never liked the swoopier
> ones much).
>
> Does anyone know where I might find a pair? The sources I used
> back then, places like MG Mitten and Vilem B. Haan, seem to have
> disappeared, and I don't see anything like what I'm looking for
> in any of the catalogs I have at hand. I have a hunch that they
> must still be available for the classic/restoration market, so
> if you have any leads, I'd sure appreciate hearing about them.
> A pair of these mirrors has become the holy grail of accessories
> for my Miata. I'm pursuing the retro look ("Cobra" stripes and
> Minilite-lookalike eight-spoke Panasports), and Talbot mirrors
> will complete the package.
A very good source for British car parts is Moss Motors in Goleta, CA.
I have an old MGB parts catalog from them that lists mirrors like
the ones you describe. They are not called Talbot mirrors, but just
"racing mirrors", 3 1/2 inches in diameter with a "true classic shape."
They come in chrome or black matte finish and two base sizes:
"standard" and "long" (4 3/4"). Flat lens only. I don't know the
price (if they still have them). Parts nos. were 222-350, 222-360,
222-370, 222-380 for chrome std., black std., chrome long, black long,
respectively.
Moss Motors, Ltd.
800-235-6954 in continental US, except CA
800-322-6985 in California
805-968-1041 outside US
Another British car parts dealer is, I think, Victoria British on the
East Coast somewhere. I think they have an 800 number you could get
from 800 information.
If you want to go back to Merry Olde England for them, Quality
Components advertises many types of mirrors described as "period
accessories," including "racing mirrors," alloy or chrome on brass,
convex lens. E-mail me if you want ordering or catalog info.
Mike Simmons (aka 20CS -- we're almost twins)
90 white A pkg, CA license "NO LUCAS" -- I had an MGB, too
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From: Sean Christopher Timm
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: instrument panel rattles
Someone else on the list can probably give you more detailed information on
what causes the rattle in your dashboard, but usually the rattle is caused by
one of the pieces of felt coming unglued from the clear plastic instrument
panel. This felt keeps the panel from vibrating against the dashboard.
Glueing a new piece of felt in its place should fix the problem. I hope this
helps.
-Sean Timm
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From: shyuehon@ecn.purdue.edu (Chuang, Shyue-Hong)
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: LSD
Hi all,
The 94's have the Torsen slip Diffs. I am very curious how this works as
compared to the viscous type? Also, has anyone out there with the LSD(viscous)
actually felt it in use? Mine feels like it has never been there!
Wishing I had my miata in Singapore...
--
Chuang, Shyue-Hong
US Address : Singapore Address :
P.O. Box 3033 37, Branksome Road
West Lafayette, IN 47906 S (1543)
U.S.A Republic of Singapore
Internet : shyuehon@ecn.purdue.edu
zp3b2a!chuang@attme.att.com
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From: VPUR_ROWEN@MVAX.MSO.HAWAII.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: subscription
Please subscribe me. thanks
vpur_rowen@mvax.mso.hawaii.edu@uhunix
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Version: 5.5.JHU3
From: "Michael Butler"
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: "R" Package Update
Some more info.
Projected price is $1500. Production begins January 10. A couple of
pre-production cars may be available next month.
I asked if the "Sports Suspension" differs in any way besides the Bilsteins
from the stocker. This is still not clear. More details may be
forthcoming in a week or two.
Michael Butler
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From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: "R" Package Update
>
> Some more info.
>
> Projected price is $1500. Production begins January 10. A couple of
> pre-production cars may be available next month.
Do you mean $1500 over a base Miata?
Craig
>
> I asked if the "Sports Suspension" differs in any way besides the Bilsteins
> from the stocker. This is still not clear. More details may be
> forthcoming in a week or two.
>
> Michael Butler
>
>
>
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From: Eric Fancher <75230.1445@CompuServe.COM>
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: AIR DUCT LIGHT COVER
Question (informal survey): With the recent talk about the NACA air duct and
having seen it in the Miata Magazine advertised by Wiz Performance Accessories
for $149.95 + $75.00 for painting!? Would there be interest from those of you
out there for a similar product for about $75.00 painted?
I have a friend who had an idea and created his own version. It uses an
original (metal) cover and is a direct bolt on with no modifications. In my
own opinion (sometimes suspect but always conservative) this looks much much
better than the small naca duct and I see no reason why it would not perform
as well considering the typical driving environment.
I don't want to give too much away since it was not my idea, but I wanted to
gauge interest for the sake of marketability. $224.95 + shipping is
ridiculous!
Please let me know if this would interest you and I will pass on the info. If
we get enough positive responses, I will let you know if and when we might
offer this version.
Eric Fancher
Tejas Miatas
Austin, Texas
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From: Alan Dahl
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: AIR DUCT LIGHT COVER
Eric Fancher <75230.1445@CompuServe.COM>
>Question (informal survey): With the recent talk about the NACA air duct and
>having seen it in the Miata Magazine advertised by Wiz Performance Accessories
>for $149.95 + $75.00 for painting!? Would there be interest from those of you
>out there for a similar product for about $75.00 painted?
>
>I have a friend who had an idea and created his own version. It uses an
>original (metal) cover and is a direct bolt on with no modifications. In my
>own opinion (sometimes suspect but always conservative) this looks much much
>better than the small naca duct and I see no reason why it would not perform
>as well considering the typical driving environment.
>
>I don't want to give too much away since it was not my idea, but I wanted to
>gauge interest for the sake of marketability. $224.95 + shipping is
>ridiculous!
The ducted (not NACA, BTW) headlight cover The Wiz sells is not the same one as
the NACA-ducted headlight cover which comes with the Eaton supercharger kit and
has been discussed here on the Net. Brainstorm offers a painted NACA-ducted (I
assume the same one) for $125 in your choice of red, white, blue or black. I
just received a nice little brochure from Brainstorm that listed the headlight
cover (with a picture of a blue cover, which looks *much* better than The Wiz's
cover, BTW) among other things.
Not to say that $75 still isn't better...
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/_ / / / Analysts International Co. | adahl@axysdev.nwest.mccaw.com
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From: robi@adacel.com.au
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: instrument panel rattles
Replying to your lovely message sent Wed, 17 Nov 1993 09: 51:47 -0500
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 13:40:36 +1100
Sender: robi@bigbird.adacel.com.au
: Someone else on the list can probably give you more detailed information on
: what causes the rattle in your dashboard, but usually the rattle is caused by
: one of the pieces of felt coming unglued from the clear plastic instrument
: panel. This felt keeps the panel from vibrating against the dashboard.
: Glueing a new piece of felt in its place should fix the problem. I hope this
: helps.
I know that the golvebox rattles around a lot. It seems shockingly
under secured. Anyone else having these problems?
On another note, the regulator in my electric window on the drivers
side went the other day. Just doing it up when I got to work and I
heard this "clunk". Then it didn't want to move anymore. The car was
out of warranty, having done 65000km, but I took it to my Mazda
service centre anyway. A new regulator is $450 (Aus. dollars). The
thing is, becuase the car has always been serviced there, and
properly, AND becuase Mazda is now introducing a 5 year, 80000km
warranty on their new vehicles (as opposed to the current 3/60000),
they replaced my regulator for nothing! I think Mazda have the most
professional after sales service centres of any new cars I've seen.
- Robi
--
INTERNET: robi@adacel.com.au "So now tell the court, if you will,
Mrs Potato Head, exactly what
Tel : (+61) (3) 596 2991 transpired on the night your husband
Fax : (+61) (3) 596 2960 chased you with the Vegomatic."
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From: John Townsend
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Headlight covers & Ducts
So, the JPEG that was recently posted (thanks), is not the only means
of getting cooler air ?
I am getting confused. Also the NACA 'duct' as in the JPEG is _tiny_ !
I find it diffucult to believe (IMVHO) that it can make much
difference. Apart from which it looks ugly, and makes the car
lopsided.
Go ahead, Flame me! (NOT)
Just my thoughts...
(^_^)
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From: wfreeman@acca.nmsu.edu (Bill Freeman)
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Car Cover Info Request
Thanks for the quick responses to my questions on car covers. The insight
into the antenna mod were enlightening but since I have a 93 C, not a
problem. The tailpipe warning will definitely be heeded.
As an additional question, how much of the trunk is taken up by the canvas
covers and are the locks worth while?
Bill Freeman
wfreeman@acca.nmsu.edu
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From: "Michael Simmons"
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Car Cover Info Request
Bill Freeman writes:
> As an additional question, how much of the trunk is taken up by the canvas
> covers and are the locks worth while?
I have a cotton cover and it doesn't take much room at all if it's
rolled up well. I have a lot of stereo gear so I have even less room
than before, but I don't find it a problem.
I don't use a cover lock.
Mike Simmons
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From: Tom Wilmore
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: DAILY digest of "miata" mailing list (part 1 of 1)
In your missive dated Wed, 17 Nov 1993 05:00:07 -0500 you write:
||>
Why am I no longer receiving these? None on Thursday, 18 Nov, or Friday, 19
Nov. Were there no messages?
--
Tom Wilmore Big-eyed beans from Venus,
SAS Institute Inc. Don't let anything get in between us
Austin, Texas -Don Van Vliet
sastjw@unx.sas.com
(512)258-5171x3229
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From: "Stephen H. An"
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Headlight covers & Ducts
Hi,
I am the person who started the NACA duct threat so may be I could comment.
Norm Garrett (the founder of the Miata Club and a design engineer of
the Miata) was looking for a way to get more cold air to the Eaton
supercharger that he was developing. When he saw the headlight cover duct
that WIZ performance offered, he got the idea that he could incorporate it
into his Eaton kit.
The problem with the Wiz's duct is it is ugly, obviously, my
opinion is biased, but sue me; any car nut would use a NACA shape duct,
just take a look at the NART Daytona, the F40, the Viper GTS, etc....
and the other problem is its extortionist price. So he contacted Vantage
Motorsport, for those who remember, he is the BBR rep. here in the NE. who
installed the BBR turbo for me and since became my good friend. He also
did the BugEye nose for the Miata and a couple of years ago built a Kevlar
bodied MGA that weighs 1300 lbs with 150 horses.
So of course, I saw the duct and thought it was a great idea and that Norm
should sell it separately. I lent my car to Vantage, so I should get my
free duct any day now.
Apparently, Norm has chosen Brainstorm as his distributor. You netters can
also buy the thing directly from Vantage (617-364-0544).
So, the JPEG that was recently posted (thanks), is not the only means
of getting cooler air ?
I am getting confused. Also the NACA 'duct' as in the JPEG is _tiny_ !
I find it diffucult to believe (IMVHO) that it can make much
difference. Apart from which it looks ugly, and makes the car
lopsided.
It's is as large as possible on the headlight cover, its dimensions
are 4"wx6"lx1.25"h. Since my car was used as the prototype, I thought it
was really well proportioned. You will have to wait for the data from
Norm, but you get 1 hp/10deg. which is not bad if the thing lower the
temp by 40 degs. This is free horses.
I think it looks fantastic on the car, Norm is now talking about offering
the duct for the other light, for those who like symmetry. But then this
is totally subjective.
- Steve.
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From: fozzard@mtn.fsl.noaa.gov (Richard Fozzard)
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: biker world
>P.S. Just about all Miatas I've come across around here have waved on
>passing; one guy was waving so frantically I thought he'd drive into
>the ditch ;-) It's almost like in the biker world where you usually
>wave to each other; I had never seen in the four-wheeled world.
>
>Enough rambling...
>--
>Jyri J. Virkki | DoD#561 | jyri+@cmu.edu | Linux: Choice of a GNU generation
Before I fell in lust with my young little Miata ('91 white w/red leather),
I drove a wonderful old '76 Bimmer with over 200K on it and running strong.
The older BMW drivers (ie, the cars, not the drivers! :-)) would often
flash headlights when passing. A tradition from the early days when Bimmers
were rare, cheap, and driven by enthusiasts (not yuppies). I still
sometimes forget I'm in the Miata and do the same when passing and old BMW.
:-)
In some ways, we Miata drivers _are_ almost in the biker world. The car is
about as close to a bike as you can get - my wife talked me out of a new
bike by promising me a Miata! :-)
rich
========================================================================
Richard Fozzard "Serendipity empowers"
Univ of Colorado/CIRES/NOAA R/E/FS 325 Broadway, Boulder, CO 80303
fozzard@fsl.noaa.gov (303)497-6011 or 444-3168
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From: gday@mprgate.mpr.ca (Gordon Day)
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Headlight covers & Ducts
Was the jpeg image ever archived anywhere? I never did receive it and
would really like to take a look...
Ta,
Gordon.