Miata Mailing List: November 1996, Message #61
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From: Steve An
Noone, least of all me, is knocking the Yoko-A509, but the original poster as for a comparison between the RE-71 and the A509. I had the RE-71 (50 series Z rated) on my 911, the A509, 50 series V rated in my Miata Turbo, so factor in the difference however you wish. The RE-71 was phenomenal in the wet (I came from a set of Pirelli P7 and Yoko A-008), they wore well and performed consistently throughout their tread life. And I especially like the break away tendencies, very progressive, they did not stick like glue and snaps away, something, any 911 driver can really appreciate. The only places where the 509 may win, is in price, sub-zero temperature, where Z-rated tires don't work at all (I don't now about the V rated RE-71) and maybe tread life, though I am not sure about the last one. I also have the AVS-intermediate on my Alfa Milano and like them better than the 509. So long as we are discussing tires, Gary Fischman asked about direct experience between the Pirelli 190 and the Nokia Hakka 10, I had the Hakka on the Miata and the Pirelli-190 on my Alfa Milano (50/50 weight distribution, transaxle design). The Hakka wins hands down. And I think all things being equal, the Milano should be better in the snow due to its higher weight on the drive wheels. All these tires are good enough for the miata, I make my purchasing decision based on cost effectiveness. For instance, I paid $13 more per tire for the AVS-i vs the 509, I bought the AVS-i (67 vs $80), they were worth the difference. I whole heartedly agree on the point someone made about component matching tires and suspensions. I had Yoko 509 on my 67 Duetto, ruined the car completely, much harder to 4 wheel drift through exit ramps, so I went back to my old Michelin XZX, same with my 59 Giulietta, old car suspensions are just not designed for sticky rubbers. On the other hand, I now have really cheapo Cooper tires on my beater smurf blue Miata and the suspension is so much better than the tires that it feels like I am driving on the stock SF-325 in the wet all the time. Slip sliding away ain't just a Paul Simon song.. and that's the way I like it (sometime). Sorry to be much too verbose... - Steve. At 02:20 PM 11/1/96 -0500, Ken Buck wrote: >Re: A509 vs. RE71 > >Just adding my $.02 (convert to Canadien as appropriate) ... > >I have A509s, like 'em, know they're not _the best_ in the dry >(but don't care about that because it's not a priority for me), >got them due to their good reputation in the wet (have never >had a complaint in that category) as well as their good (if not great) >reputation in the dry. Haven't tracked the mileage, must be >somewhere in the 20-25K range now, and it's definitely time >to replace them (down to the wear bars on the rear, YIKES!). > >My question is: is RE71 better, worse, or the same as A509 in the wet? >(I've seen Steve's comments here, but dunno how confident he >feels about that opinion). In the past, I recall seeing opinions that >they were not all that good in that dept (maybe the updates over the >years improved that aspect? or maybe just evil rumors?). > >Anyway, barring new evidence (which I am always willing to entertain), >I see no reason to change. >The A509s have served me very well in the wet, very predictable behavior. >If I change, I run the risk of disappointment; if I stay the same, >I can't go wrong. > >-- >Ken Buck /| >Internet: kbuck@peritus.com \'o.O' ACK! >Mail: Peritus Software Services =(___)= THPTPHH! > 304 Concord Rd, Billerica, MA 01821 U > >Team Voodoo >Team Time-For-New-A509s >Team Ain't-Changing-Til-You-Gimme-A-Good-Reason > > > > \014 ==============================================================================