Miata Mailing List: March 1998, Message #24

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It's gotta be said...

1) Not all posts have been as neutral or 'personality free' as their
authors would like to believe.  They may have not intended to slam
individuals or point citicism at the magazine, but it came over as
criticism to me.  (and NOT constructive).

2) I/me/myself am sick to death of phrases like 'don't take it personally',
'you gotta have a thick skin if...', 'You have to expect.. slams, insults,
name-calling'.  BULL SHIT!  Life's a team sport, not a game.  What you
SHOULD do is have respect for the individual and try to communicate.  This
is NOT a condemnation of everyone on the list nor does it mean that I don't
fall short either.  It does mean you should step back and look at WHAT you
really said and done before you put your mouth or fingers in motion to
categorily deny out of hand any possible faux pax on your part.

I, for one, have more trust and admiration for someone who does have
feelings and isn't afraid to let it be known.  Without feelings, what
matters.  The Miata is about passion.  A passion for the experience it
provides us.

I've seen signs, but can we turn this more CONSTRUCTIVE!  Criticism CAN be
constructive.

Ric    ;-((

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> From: Tom Beasley 
> To: Multiple recipients of list 
> Subject: Re: Thoughts from Barbara
> Date: Saturday, February 28, 1998 2:24 PM
> 
> If Barbara sees what has been said here as a personal attack on her then
she
> is in for a rough time. Being in a position such as hers you are going to
be
> attacked personally many times. This is not a position for a thin skinned
> person.
> I will make my last comment on this subject and then leave the rest to
you
> good folks.
> It is evident Barbara doesn't monitor this list. it is also evident Norm
> doesn't. Isn't it amazing how Barbara and Norm post to the list at the
same
> time. Makes you wonder. One post and then they are gone. Mark, if you
notice
> you were the only that personalized the postings. That is until Barbara
> posted and totally personalized the debate. As Bob said you can't argue
or
> debate motherhood and apple pie. Flames get too hot.
> Again, no one was personally attacking anyone but taking this thread down
> the personalized path was an unwise move.
> Tom and Plain Jane
> PS As I said earlier "Norman has left the building".
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark 
> To: Multiple recipients of list 
> Date: Saturday, February 28, 1998 7:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Thoughts from Barbara
> 
> 
> >At 03:43 PM -0800 2/28/98, LeanAngle1 wrote:
> >>No one has questioned, inferered or otherwise implied directly or
> indirectly
> >>that Barbara has not done her absolute best for the magazine....NO
> >>ONE!!!!...again..this is not personal..yet you seem to try to make it
so
> at
> >>every post. It is not personal at all...I..as well as most of the
people
> on
> >>this list..understand your friendship and support of Barbara..and that
is
> >>comendable, but please stop making this all sound like a personal
attack.
> >
> >Aaron,
> >
> >I know you do not intend your comments to be directed toward Barbara.  I
> >know that you believe you are not attacking Barbara.
> >
> >Problem is...  BARBARA SEES THEM AS PERSONAL ATTACKS!
> >
> >THAT is what I have been trying to tell you!
> >
> >Go back and re-read her post of last night.  Does that sound like the
> >comments of someone that isn't hurt and disappointed by what's been
going
> >on here.  How can you deny that Barbara feels attacked?  You can say you
> >didn't intend to attack her until you are blue in the face but that
doesn't
> >change how the comments made her feel.  To Barbara, it >IS< personal.
> >
> >Got it?
> >
> >
> >Mark Booth
> >1992 "B" Classic Red
> >Team Voodoo
> >President - San Diego Miata Club
> >    [http://mmdshare.ucsd.edu/sdmc.html]
> >
> >
> >
> >
>